The Basketball Podcast: EP250 with Chris and Jen Oliver on Learning and Change

RELEASE DATE : 11/01/2023

In this week’s coaching conversation, Chris and Jen Oliver join the Basketball Podcast to discuss learning, unlearning and relearning and so much more from their experiences coaching, playing and sharing the game.

Jen Oliver is an entrepreneur, a mother of two daughters the author of the international bestselling book, The Love FitMama Way: Transforming the Core of Motherhood. Jen is an internationally recognized public speaker and has been a consultant, coach and mentor for many successful online businesses and entrepreneurs since she started her first podcast in 2008. As an Online Business Development and Mindset Coach, Podcaster and TEDx Speaker, Jen Oliver inspires, educates and motivates entrepreneurs around the globe to follow their vision for themselves and to do it with love. What she is most passionate about is spreading the message she draws on from science and the mind-body data to support entrepreneurs in being their own biggest ally in business, relationships and life. Jen has almost 1.8 million views on her viral TEDx talk, “How to Love Yourself to the Core” 

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Chris and Jen Oliver Quotes:

Chris:

“My favorite quote from that book [Future Shock] was, ‘The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.’ When I think about the coaches who have been most impacted by our community . . I think of them embodying this quote [and] a willingness to constantly ask, ‘Is there a better way?’”

Chris:

“Coaching development mirrors player development. We would never ask a player to change everything all at once, and that’s the same for coaching development. If you want to incorporate a games approach, if you want to incorporate more random practice, if you want to incorporate constraints you don’t have to go all in and jump in the deep end right away.”

Jen:

“Realize that you can’t change everything at once . . we bring one new thing and, for a week or two, we’re doing that. Then we add something else, and it makes a big difference.”

Jen:

“Chris and I have decided on a big new venture this year, which is we are coaching our daughter’s middle school basketball team together.”

Chris:

“To give people a perspective . . this is the same way I coach my college team. We play basketball to get better at basketball. And we essentially skip the drills and certainly any type of on-air type of drills.”

Chris:

“We drip in different concepts. The main concepts are spacing . . offense trying to create space and defense trying to take away space; the second concept we’ll constantly talk about is advantage. Basketball is a game of trying to create an advantage. So, how can we create an advantage? And then how can we leverage the advantage when we have it.”

Jen:

“They’re doing 4-on-4 or 5-on-5 full court, they’re in the middle of a transition or in the middle of a play and you stop it they all know where they were and they go back and they recreate it, and they just learned something. Later on in the practice, they will adapt and adopt those things and put them into their game. It’s amazing. These are young kids. It’s beyond impressive to see it applied this way.”

Chris:

“Constantly load challenge. We’re constantly, as coaches, worried about how it looks. [We say] ‘They’re so much better because the drill is clean.’ Well, the reality is, they’re not better now. They can just do it [the drill].”

Jen:

“Every time you make mistakes, you are learning, right? It’s the same thing, if you’re in math, maybe you didn’t get 100% on your test. Did you take the opportunity to learn from the mistakes that you did make? I bet you went back to the test, and the ones you got wrong you learned more from than the ones you got.”

 

Chris:

“Skill equals confidence. There’s no shortcut to that. For any team to improve, players have to get more skilled, because they have more confidence and they have more solutions. If they haven’t played much basketball, they literally might only have one solution. But that doesn’t mean I don’t want them to see the other possibilities, because seeing those other possibilities is what is also ultimately going to inspire them to work on their game and train on their own and want to improve their skills.”

Chris:

“There are consistent themes that we coach throughout. I’m not trying to coach everything . . The advice is, don’t coach everything. It’s two-way coaching. We really get them to focus on these main principles of play. And then certain players, I can introduce more to them individually. And then as we evolve, I can introduce more to the group.”

Chris:

“The other valuable part of this is every single day, I get to evaluate players and the team and decide, ‘What do we actually need to learn to play basketball?’ It’s not to be better at the drill. It’s not to be better at this skill. It’s to play basketball and connect skills and decisions.”

Jen:

“It’s the reinforcement when we’re trying to learn a new thing. We don’t need 100 things, then we’re trying to keep up with all of them. I remember very distinctly my coach telling me about 10 different situations that could happen . . and there was no defender. He was just giving me all the scenarios, and I remember standing there going, ‘Okay, now what do I do?’ I don’t know. I think this games approach is helping them through experience.”

Jen:

“It really comes down to a personal choice as a coach . . it might be a little bit more challenging day to day while you, as a coach, are including new concepts and ways of teaching and ways of coaching into your practices. But our players are very adaptable, and it happens faster than you think.”

Chris:

“If they’re not trying to score or stop someone from scoring in anything you’re doing, then it doesn’t transfer and connect as much as you think to the game. So, to me, it’s pretty easy as a basketball coach to make sure that we do everything offense versus defense to be able to connect something in terms of the goal of trying to score.”

Chris:

“It’s saying those exact words constantly. And it’s not just one day, it’s every single day or regularly saying, ‘You belong, I’m happy, you’re here. I’m excited to coach you. I’m so happy you’re playing on the team. I know you’re a good soccer player, I can’t wait to help you be a better basketball player.’ It’s something very specific, that lets them know that they’re a part of this, even if they’re struggling.”

Jen:

“These are not different juxtaposed things. You are students at school, you’re students of life, you are walking into each day as the curious, student and human that you are, and when you do put up those barriers and walls, ‘You can only do this here, and you can’t do this there’ . . you almost make them feel like, ‘Oh, I’m only right to advocate for myself in this situation.’”

Chris and Jen Oliver Breakdown:

1:00 – Basketball Immersion Podcast
4:00 – Resistance
7:00 – Decision Training
11:30 – Practice with their Daughters
14:00 – Asking Questions
18:30 – Making Decisions
21:00 – Technical Information
24:00 – Human Interactions
27:00 – New Variables to Practice
29:00 – Messy
32:30 – Concept of Learn, Unlearn, and Relearn
36:00 – Learning New Things
39:00 – Adaptable
41:35 – 42:10 – Basketball Immersion Ad
43:30 – Player’s Perspective
46:00 – Rabbit Hole
50:00 – Summer League
55:00 – Sharing Experiences
57:00 – Five Page Essay
1:00:00 – Psychological Safety
1:01:00 – To Be Creative and Free
1:04:00 – Active Participants
1:08:00 – Enjoying The Sport
1:10:00 – Limited in the Game
1:14:00 – People Involvement
1:16:00 – Premium Podcast and Bonus Materials

Chris and Jen Oliver Links from the Podcast:

Chris Oliver

Jen Oliver

Alvin Toffler

Future Shock

Matt Cline

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