The Basketball Podcast: EP333 with Dustin Kerns on a Culture of Appreciation

RELEASE DATE : 14/08/2024
Appalachian State head coach Dustin Kerns joins the Basketball Podcast to share insights on draft time, defense and a culture of appreciation.
Kerns guided the Mountaineers to a historic season in his fifth year at the helm, securing the program’s first regular season outright conference championship since the 1978-79 season, a program-record 27 wins and an NIT first-round appearance for the first time since 2006-07. The Mountaineers won 16 Sun Belt games in 2023-24 and finished with a 16-2 record, marking the best winning percentage in conference play in program history. For the third consecutive season, the Mountaineers won at least 10 home games, winning 15 games at the Holmes Center, the most in the building’s era. App State was one of 12 teams in the country to be undefeated at home while shattering their regular-season attendance record.

The Mountaineers finished the season 3-0 against teams that made the 2023-24 NCAA Tournament. App State’s win over Auburn on December 3 made it back-to-back seasons that the Mountaineers have defeated a Power 5 opponent. Additionally, the Mountaineers were the only team in the country to post three separate winning streaks of at least eight games. Because of the team’s success, Kerns was named App State’s first Conference Coach of the Year since 2003. Kerns also garnered the All-District 23 Coach of the Year honors by the NABC and was named a finalist for both the Jim Phelan and High Durham Coach of the Year Awards.

Kerns coaching journey started as a student assistant at Clemson, and after graduation landed his first coaching job at Tennessee Tech. Following a one-year stop as a graduate assistant at Tennessee, Kerns joined Mike Young’s staff at Wofford from 2004 to 2007, then moved on to Santa Clara as an assistant from 2007 to 2013. He returned to Wofford as the associate head coach in 2013, where he was on staff for the Terriers’ 2014 and 2015 NCAA Tournament appearances.

On May 23, 2017, Dustin Kerns was named the head coach at Presbyterian. Kerns took over a Presbyterian program that had endured 12 straight losing seasons and a 5 win campaign the previous season. The program quickly turned around as in his 2nd season at Presbyterian, he led the Blue Hose to a 20 win season, first ever postseason berth, and quarterfinal appearance in the CIT Tournament. Kerns was named the head coach at Appalachian State on March 28, 2019.

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Dustin Kerns Quotes:

“We also play two nights of pickup, and we call it ‘draft time.’ We try to help our guys understand through different speakers or through experiences that if you’re going to get drafted to the NBA or at the highest level or whatever like that, they are going to call and ask a lot of people about you . . what if they asked for a copy of pickup? Would they still draft you? And so, we really try to make it different. This isn’t just pickup . . If an NBA team watches tonight, will they still draft you with your effort, with your consistency, with how you make the right play, with your habits?”

“We typically play twice a week. One will be five on five, up and down, playing out of different concepts. We design the teams. There’s a shot clock going. There’s. And then we play to a different play out of a different concept. We play two different scores from time to time. And then the only way you can win a game is if you make a free throw.”

“I want our guys excited to be here. I want our guys excited to be here in the summer. And I think that if we’re here from May all the way to August, there comes a time in August where they’re ready to go home. So, bringing our guys late June, early July for those five weeks or so, I think that’s what’s been best for us . . but I remind them. ‘You’ve got time to go on family vacations. You’ve got time to go hang out with your friends.’ And guess what? I think that’s good.”

“We are going to officiate practice. Now, we all take turns. It’s not just one or two coaches, but at the end of the day, we don’t allow bad habits. And so, we use officiating practice as teachable moments. Where it’s a reach, I’m going to call a foul because that’s a bad habit that we’re trying to correct. We have officials come in at least once or twice a year and officiate our practice.”

“We want to be a great defensive team. It [not fouling] is part of our defensive identity. Part of our defensive pillars . . is our opponents score less from the free throw line.”

“You get to see emotions, you get to see reactions that you try to eliminate in the game. We’re not trying to have negative reactions to calls during the game, even though we’re all human, right? We get a chance in practice to practice moving on . . There are times we’re going to make bad calls in practice. But you get a chance to teach your players to move on to the next play because bad calls are part of the game. And so, at the end of the day, we’re going to do all these things in practice to prepare us for the game.”

“We ask our players to do two things. Play as hard as you can. Play so hard your mistakes get covered up. You can play so hard that it’s hard to notice your mistakes. And so, I ask them to just go hard. And then I asked them to play unselfishly. Now, that’s on both sides, right? People think being unselfish means you’re sharing the basketball . . but it’s going to be really hard to play you if you’re selfish defensively, if you’re not playing hard, not being able to rotate and cover for your teammate.”

“We break it down to the pillars. What are the four or five things as a program that are non-negotiables that we talk about and we emphasize daily. For us, it’s pressure the ball. What does that mean? That just means the ball is not passed comfortably, there are no direct passes. We want to play without fouling. Another one for us is we want to affect shots. Why don’t we say contest shots? Quite frankly, I think at the level that we’re playing, contesting a shot is not good enough . . The fourth thing is gang rebounding. Everybody’s got to rebound . . And then the last non-negotiable is effort.”

Dustin Kerns Breakdown:

02:22 Celebrating Team and Fan Support
03:41 Unique Summer Training Approaches
05:08 Draft Time: A New Approach to Pickup Games
13:27 Mental Health and Player Wellbeing
14:58 Encouraging Diverse Training Environments
19:18 Emphasizing Offensive Skills in Summer
23:29 Focusing on Fewer Fouls During Games
26:33 Officiating Practice: A Teaching Tool
27:48 Addressing Bad Habits and Consequences
30:36 The Role of Analytics in Shot Selection
31:39 Consequences and Emotions in Practice
33:44 Verticality and Defensive Techniques
37:56 Defensive Conditioning and Team Building
40:11 Developing Defensive Intensity
43:01 Core Principles and Program Success
46:44 Appreciation and Individuality in Coaching
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